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Discussion: The specifics of the operators gadgets

I was looking though the operator videos and noticed smoke say "I know what you're thinking, what's in the canister?" and that got me thinking about the real-life specs of each operator. So I pose the question: What is the best real world tech that matches up to each of the operators? I'll start off with what I can think of.
Direct exposure to the skin can cause irritations and burns. Only very high concentrations of the gaseous form cause immediate distress: 10–20 ppm can cause mild irritation of the nose and throat, 25–50 ppm can cause edema leading to bronchitis or pneumonia, and levels above 100 ppm can cause death due to asphyxiation from fluid in the lungs.
Also, I think this link makes it clear.
"When you mix fuel, metal oxide, and metal powder in just the right way, it burns at 2000o Celsius. Hot enough to cut through nearly any barrier known to man."
Sounds straight forward enough, right? Well yea. Thermite (the substance) is usually composed of Iron Oxide and fine Aluminum powder. Also sometimes Sulfur or magnesium additives. Now it's iffy to say whether what's used in game is actually thermite, or if it's thermate. Thermate is made of the same components as Thermite, but with an oxidizer such as barium nitrate. Thermate has a higher burning temperature and is used by the military to decommission artillery and armor. It's honestly hard to tell from in game footage, but I think Thermite actually uses thermate in his gadget.
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I will make more as the day goes by, but please let me know what you think so far! And please add on to my work so far.
Edit: Let's keep this going for no reason other than to complete it.
Assuming that the jammers in game are maybe set to a non-standard radio wave (being that mute probably knows the radio length of what the attackers are using), and they appear to be powered by a battery, it's safe to assume that the range of the jammers is actually smaller than would be realistic.
Class calls my name so I must depart. I will return to finish the American Ops by tonight and maybe the French.
Edit 3?: I'm back for a bit. Let's finish out the American Operators.
[EDIT]- zironicdk has pointed out that combination of adrenaline and morphine would likely not have the effect that I thought it would. So Doc probably uses something more attune to fentanyl.
[EDIT]- It appears that the material for Blackbeards shield is actually based off the TAGS or Transparent Armor Gun Shield used in the Israeli Defense Force and US Army M1 Abrams, as well as some HMMWVs. Credit to mrtrotskygrad for that one.
Quick break for now. I'll try to finish some more later tonight.
Edit 12000: Let's get back into this.
[EDIT]- Many people have pointed out that even discounting the voltage of the batteries, it's be hard for bandit to find a ground to connect to in order to shock attackers via a wall. thanks jaffa1987
[EDIT]- Never just look at a wiki page when you're strapped for time. The ACTUAL gun that Chanka Uses is a DP-28. Really cool stuff. Credit to craigmitchell44
Welp guys I'm going to go ahead on go to sleep. I'll be up in the morning to finish the Canadian ops and the Brazilian ops.
Edit 803245: Some corrections. I'll finish the other ops in a bit. Thanks for the help so far guys!
Alright! Let's finish the operators!
Well that's it for now. Please comment and critique what I've got so far. And feel free to add suggestions! Cheers!
Edit: Let's do the last of the year 1 operators, just before the 6 month limit is up.
Cheers guys, and if you're wondering about Mira and Jackal, I point you to their respective links:
Mira
Jackal
Have a good Siege!
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SwanpJew's Sunday Showdown - August 17, 2014

Wow. What a week. I've taken some horrendous beats and barely broke even: I'm only up 6 BI. How embarrassing. I debated whether I should share these lackluster results with you, my loyal readers, and decided my ego was forfeit if I can help at least one of you learn to weather the swings of the world's greatest intellectual and psychological challenge: live 1/2NL.
If you find this helpful (read: you have half a brain), spread the word on your favorite poker blogs and forums, because it's, like, even money that I'm banned from there. The latest book in my series, SwanpJew's Power Poker Guide to Dodging Ace-High Flops with Pocket Kings, should be on shelves at the end of this month. It won't, but it should be.
This week's topic is dealing with being card dead.
It's not “fold pre,” because “fold pre” is the mantra of the unimaginative.
When you fold your hand pre-flop, the fancy mathematics whizzes with their EV calculations say it nets you exactly nothing. I'm sorry, but aren't we at the poker table to make money, not not make money? You don't see Phil Ivey folding pre or Daniel Negreanu folding ever. So I guess “fold pre” if you don't want to be a ten-time bracelet winner or pull in $29 milly in tournament cashes. Go ahead and fold on those 29,000,000:2 odds for two measly bucks. Idiot.
[Editor's note: Sorry. SwanpJew gets a little cranky when he thinks about people folding. Please don't stop reading.]
1/2 NL at Bennie Bunion's Horse Tack Casino in Slidell, Louisiana (burned down; now a for-profit college / chicken and waffles restaurant)
Hero (UTG): $2,775 CardCounter0 (MP): $527 Old Lady With A Super-Annoying Card Protector That Makes Her Take Forever to Muck (HJ): $104.25 Old Asian Nit (CO): $50 [Villain 1] Old Cuban Guy With His Shirt Unbuttoned to Show off His Chest Mane (BU): $5,100 Uncomfortably Close Fat Guy (SB): $440 [Villain 2] Liv Boeree (BB): $3,169
Background: Villain 1 is your classic maniac. I've spotted him raising from all positions with ATC, building a massive pot, then carrying the initiative to the river where he shoves in the dark. He's run his $50 buy-in up to his current stack. I'd be impressed if he wasn't doing a Sam Farha impression with an unlit drinking straw.
Villain 2 seems to really have it out for Hero. She's in every hand Hero is in. She seems to be trying to soul-read Hero even when the dealer is washing the deck. It's freakin' me out, man.
Hero has a fairly LAG image and range. The whole table is terrified of Hero, as evidenced by the look of extreme boredom and fatigue on their faces. Classic defense mechanism.
Action:
Preflop: Hero has Qc2d. Hero calls.
MP, HJ, CO fold. Villain 1 sounds suspiciously like Tony Montana and makes it tir-teen to go.
SB folds. BB stares at Hero.
BB says, “Will you call if I call?”
Dealer says, “Players will refrain from discussing the hand, please.”
BB tanks. Hero sighs and nods. BB calls $13.
Hero calls.
MP flags a cocktail waitress and asks for a shooter of Metamucil with a Low-Sodium V8 chaser.
Pot to the flop: $40
Preflop Thoughts: I know what the other guys say in their books. Throw those books out the window.
[Editor's note: Open the window first! The publisher shall not be liable for damaged windows or devastated bankrolls.]
Despite what you might have read, Queen-deuce offsuit plays well out out of position in a multi-way pot. They'll never give you credit for a queen when you hit and better queens will fold because they're thinking they're dominated. Q2 is essentially the nuts here. We're in good shape for a river shove if needed. I think. I can't remember much of my thought process, because MP keeps trying to tell me about his grandkids.
Flop: 5sTs8h
BB: Checks, tapping the felt dangerously close to Hero's hand. Not his cards—his actual hand. Frickin' Furples, with your spoilers. You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
[Editor's note: He's probably just blowing off steam, Furples. Lawyer up just in case, though.)
Hero: Checks.
BU: Says, “Hoo-ah!” and bets $60.
Hero: Says, “Can you please pick one Pacino character impression and stick with it? Jesus.”
BB: Calls.
Hero: Calls.
Pot to the turn: $220
Flop Thoughts: A flop c-bet from a maniac like Serpico over there means nothing. No matter how well that flop intersects with his likely holdings, no matter how crappy my own hand is, no matter how distracting it is that BB keeps “accidentally” rubbing her leg against mine under the table (god, she's wearing that perfume that makes her smell like pumpkin pie), no matter how unlikely it is that my hand will improve while the pot bloats – I am not folding.
Turn Qd
BB: Checks, sexily.
Hero: Checks.
BU: Says, “Say hello to my li'l frien'!” and bets $170.
Dealer: Says, “Players will refrain from doing any more impressions, please.”
MP: Gets a call on his Jitterbug and excuses himself from the table.
BB: Calls $170.
Hero: Calls $170.
Pot to the turn: $730
BU: Declares all-in before river card is dealt. Yes, apparently this room allows that.
Turn Thoughts: We knew Villain's tendencies and everything has gone according to plan. Once you take all the flush-draws and straights and sets and two-pair and better one-pair combos out of his 100% range, we've got him absolutely crushed. Life is sweet.
River As
BB: Looks meaningfully into Hero's eyes. Hero knows that look. Villain 2 goes all-in.
Hero: Calls all-in.
River Thoughts: None of your business, you perv.
Results: Button turns over JhTh for a busted gutshot with third-pair, good kicker. BB turns over—you guessed it—Qh2s.
BB and Hero split a huge pot. You add it up; I'm busy.
Aftermath: MP is found pantless and in the bathroom, in a state the brush found the delicacy to describe as “confused.” MP's great-grandson comes to pick him up and has his Buick towed.
As if in a trance, BB and Hero stand up and the rest of the room seems to disappear. Hero seizes BB bodily and [redacted].
[Editor's note: Sorry, folks, we have to keep it PG-13 for the hundreds of millions of American kids who are stealing their parents' credits cards and using them to play online PLO. Don't want to corrupt the youth, y'know. Buy the book to get the uncensored version!]
Until next time, take good care of your dealers and tip them a buck or two when you drag a pot. Of course, it's perfectly acceptable to demand a dollar from the dealer when you lose. Try it the next time you're at the table; it works!
Good night, poker!
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Letter sent to Gavin Newsome weeks before he Bologna Murders in SF in 2008

Mayor Gavin Newsom City Hall, Room 200, 1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place , San Francisco , CA 94102 Telephone: (415) 554-6141 / Fax: (415) 554-6160 Email: [email protected]
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6-11-08
Mayor Gavin Newsom, In the past year I have written you 3 times. And, you have failed to respond 4-26-07, 4-4-08 & 4-14-08. Note this time I’m sending copies sent to the press & notables within the anti-illegal-immigration movement. I am now starting to publicize my letters to you & my challenge.
Personally I love people including legal immigrants into our country. However, we have quite a few problems which go unaddressed with illegal aliens. One might think, by the actions of Gavin Newsom: · Officially declaring San Francisco a “sanctuary city” in February of 2007. · April of 2008 you announced the investment of $83,000 (Tax Payer money) to start an outreach program proclaiming you wish to attract more illegal aliens into San Francisco . “that” Gavin has no idea of the depth of the problems illegal aliens are bringing our beloved SF Bay Area & the entire USA .
There are two undeniable aspects about illegal immigration which you fail to responsibly deal with. One is “financial” the other is “moral”. First I’ll briefly address the financial aspect.
The financial Aspect - Illegal Immigration causes the following STRESSES to AMERICA: n A large percentage of Illegal Aliens have no allegiance to our country, laws or culture. They claim allegiance to LaRaza, Mecha, other Pro-Mexican-Racist organizations & Mexico itself. They make no attempt to assimilate. Nor do they wish to honor our laws or culture. Within the illegal alien population is a high percentage of people whom are criminals ( a fact driving the percentage from less than 5% 20 years ago to now over 30% of the prison populous are illegal aliens) Americans spend more than 100 Million each month to provide prisons for this group if illegal aliens. (It is incalculable surmise the amounts spent on judicial & law enforcement costs.) n Here is a quick look at the diseases being brought in to the USA by unscreened & untested illegals: Ø Leprosy - a bacillus agent and is now know as Hansen's Disease. In the 40 years prior to 2002, there were only 900 total cases of leprosy in the US . In the following three years there have been 9,000 cases and most were illegal aliens. Ø Hepatitis “A-E”- a viral infection that primarily attacks the liver. In 2004, more than 650 people contacted Hepatitis “A” at Chi-Chi's Mexican restaurant in Pennsylvania . Four died. Hepatitis B is one of the major diseases of mankind and is a serious global public health problem. It is estimated that 2 BILLION people are infected and about one million persons die each year. The new vaccine is only 95% effective in preventing an infection and will not cure a person who already has Hepatitis B, which results in a lifelong infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and early death. An estimated 1.3 million people in the US are currently infected. No vaccine is currently available to prevent Hepatitis C-E and treatment for chronic Hepatitis C costs about $1,500 per person. Ø Tuberculosis (TB) – A highly contagious disease that spreads through the air like the common cold. Thanks to illegal aliens TB now has a Multi-drug resistant strain has emerged (MDR-TB). Treating this new strain ranges from $250,000.00 to $1,200,000.00. About half of the patients with MDR-TB prematurely die. Countries whom bring MDR-TB to the USA are Mexico , Philippines , Cambodia , Africa & Indonesia. (The CDC reported 1,912 cases in 2006). According to JAMA (Journal of American Medical Association) in 2007 foreign born persons are 10x more likely to have TB than USA citizens. Ø HIV - The number of illegal Mexican and Central American immigrants with HIV or AIDS is unknown, because researchers rarely ask about immigration status (not politically correct). However, it is known that the rate of HIV infection among Latino women in California is about twice the rate of white women. At one free California health clinic, all of the women have HIV or AIDS. Most are Mexican or Central American "immigrants." Ø Malaria - eradicated from the USA in the 1940s but recently there were outbreaks in southern California , New Jersey , New York City , and Houston . Additionally, Malaria tainted blood has been discovered in the blood supply. Ø Dengue - was first recognized in the 1950s, affects most Asian countries and has become a leading cause of death among children in the infected areas. Heretofore unknown in the US , Dengue outbreaks have now occurred in the United States . Ø Chagas Disease - (Known in the USA as the kissing bug disease) has been transferred by illegal aliens selling their blood. It was not until 2006 that the finally started screening blood donors or it. Ø Polio - was eradicated from America more than 60 years ago. Illegal aliens are bringing it back. Then there is Schistosomiasis, Guinea Worm Infection, Whooping cough, Cysticercosis, Morgellon's, Kawasaki disease (known as "strawberry tongue") and a host of others. All these diseases and pathogens, and a plethora of others not endemic to the US , are being brought in by unscreened untested illegal aliens who then spread them to an unsuspecting population. THINK ABOUT THESE DISEASES the next time you are eating at a restaurant with the grunt work being done by illegal aliens who didn't have medical screening before preparing and handling your food. From here on - All of the above facts are represented by this symbol (*).
n This () softens Americas ability to have effective National Security. n Illegal Aliens () often use “sanctuary cities” like a weapon against Americans. Costing well over 20,000 American lives in the past 10 years. (Why is this fact not more than the war in Iraq ?). n () Causes a loss of HUNDRED's of Millions of Dollars "ANNUALLY" in lost educational funds. n () Causes a loss of HUNDRED's of Billions of Dollars "ANNUALLY" in wage reductions & losses by legal citizens being forced to compete with lower wages readily accepted illegal aliens (illegals accept poverty). n () Causes a loss of Billions of Dollars "ANNUALLY" in unpaid medical bills & forcing hundreds of hospitals to file bankruptcy. California had almost 90 hospitals go bankrupt in the past 10 years. n () Causes a loss of HUNDRED’s Billions of Dollars "ANNUALLY" in public services such as SSI, Welfare, Medicare & Medicaid (Which have over $45 Trillion in unpaid remittances). n () Costs Tax payers HUNDRED's of Billions of Dollars to our court, penal & law enforcement systems. Which are overwhelmed & highly stressed. n () Causes a loss in quality of job market stabilization. And, HUNDRED's of Billions of Dollars "ANNUALLY" in depressed wages. n PLUS () overburdens our water supply, fuel supplies, transportation systems, energy systems, sewage systems, government systems & natural resources. n All of this deepens the unpaid debt owed by our nation into a debt of perpetuity. 60 Trillion. n This () weakens the sovereignty of our country. n This () depletes the quality of living. n () Causes untold losses to all parts of our infrastructure & society come from the drug trade coming from our southern border and it is fueled by illegal immigration. How can any one measure the multitude of problems spinning from our southern border? Sill to this day no one can mass the man power hours to calculate the losses (or cost) to our legislative & judicial systems. But we surely have suffered catastrophic losses of Tax Payer (TRILLIONS of Dollars) over the past 20 years. How much longer can America survive (*) ???
Illegal Immigrants are causing a debt load. The facts are growing in shocking proportions. The over all financial picture is well represented by the following info: Read this new study: “The Real & Fiscal cost of Immigration” By Ed Rubenstein, Apr. 7, 2008 (Investor's Business Daily delivered by Newstex). The facts within this study (And, many other studies & documents) are a landslide of proof.
AND – When it comes to our national debt - add the $45 Trillion in "unfunded liabilities" (From Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare & SSI) to the National Debt of 13 Trillion..... This equals a $58 TRILLION Deficit. Note: This does not include the Trade Deficit. Why does it matter? .... We all have to pay. $58,000,000,000,000.00 DOLLARS. Which means every single American has the following problem. Assume we pay 3% interest on this National Deficit. "IF" each man, woman & child (300 million citizens) pays $5,800.00 Annually ("on top of taxes") THAT would not equal the interest payment of the loan. The balance of the loan would never be paid. Our children will have the same debt in perpetuity. Our grandchildren will do the same. It doesn't end unless we pay the debt down. AND YET, our government still drags it’s heals by not enforcing existing laws on illegal immigration. These huge facts tell us we absolutely can not afford illegal immigration. This current financial path is NOT SUSTAINABLE . . ….. … . . . IF we intend to successfully run our country. We would be crazy to think the rest of the world will allow “even the USA ” to accumulate a debt that might be unpayable. This can’t go on indefinitely. Sooner or later we will be required to pay back some or all of that debt. Remember “INTEREST” on the debt is more than 300,000,000,000.00 PEOPLE paying $5,800 per year. And still we could not ever pay down the debt.
The Moral Aspect A huge section of the illegal population does not intend to assimilate into our society. Some wish to hurt the American people. Many illegal aliens have no allegiance to our country, laws or culture. Many claim allegiance to LaRaza, Mecha, other Pro-Mexican-Racist organizations & Mexico itself. They make no attempt to assimilate. Nor do they wish to honor our laws or culture. Within the illegal alien population is a high percentage of people whom are criminals ( a fact driving the percentage from less than 5% 20 years ago to now over 30% of the prison populous are illegal aliens). Americans are greatly disturbed when illegal aliens & their cohorts: A) Enter our country illegally & refuse to assimilate to our laws. B) Demand we change our current laws to make them “legal”. C) Use sanctuary cities to avoid penalties & jail time. D) Commit an array of crimes against Americans. And, at a higher rate Per capita than Americans. E) Create a fake identity crime syndicate grossing over $300 MILLION per year. F) Support drug trafficking crossing our border & across our nation eclipsing $300 BILLION in drug money tax free revenue each year. The negative impact of this on Social, Legal, Medical & Financial levels immeasurable. G) Re-enter our country when they have been deported. H) Expect us to provide them with driver’s licenses. I) Expect us to provide free education (and voting ballots & drivers licenses) in their language. J) Insert their children into our education system and leach off our tax dollars. K) Stress & damage our existing educational systems. L) Make regular use of existing Government Systems they have not equally contributed to (which denies the pre-existing citizens access to what they paid for): a. SSI b. Welfare c. Medicare d. Medicaid …. (These systems have unpaid remittances totaling $45 Trillion) M) Fly their flag over ours – on a regular basis. N) Desecrate our flag – on a regular basis. O) Assert their traditions over ours. P) Refuse to learn or accept English as our spoken language. Q) Claim allegiance to Mexico over America . R) Claim to have ownership of 4 or more states claiming “La Raza”. Then pull the race card when we “dare” a rebuttal. S) Pledge to take ownership of these four states. T) Play games with our political system with groups like MALDEF, La Raza, CAIR-NET, LULAC ETC. whom are: a. Cash contributors to many politicians. LaRaza & CAIR receive government funds and have donated it back to politicians. b. Contributors to senate and house bills. And, have money to contribute to various situations to suit their means. U) Work for less than a living wage and therefore willingly assist corporations, companies, contractors, restaurants, hotels, construction companies, etc, ETC. This causes a reduction in the living wage for the pre-existing citizens. (in the past 10 years housing costs have more than doubled. Wages have not increased at all.) V) Send hundreds of Billions of Dollars out of our tax system to their home country. W) Threaten existing pre-existing citizens for protesting on behalf of the aforementioned. I could go on for hours. But, I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to get my point. A vast majority of Americans label these actions & morals as an Unsustainable Path. And, you seem to somehow ignore the above facts.
Mayor Gavin Newsom, When you’re this far in the wrong - You should know better than to mute the resolve of Americans whom are inherently enthralled with principals such as: - Integrity. - Honor. - Duty. - And, are deeply attached to moral aptitude. I regard your actions not only to be immoral – But also illegal. And, given the proper chance I’ll bet the majority of Americans would agree. Fiscally you are encouraging disasters. You are not acting wisely nor are you protecting legal law-abiding citizens, by oath, you swore to serve and protect.
Do you have any backbone or fortitude? I dare you to enter into a debate based upon this format & set of 10 rules! I’ll even pay you a fee of $200.00 per hour (for a minimum of 3 hours) if you’ll brave the truth I wield. And, do it on my terms. The Debate shall: 1) Be set at least 60 days in advance & no later than August 30th. 2) Be set in a location of mutual agreement. 3) Be posted in at least 1 nationally syndicated magazine or news paper. 4) Have entry tickets divided in 3rds. Between you, the hosting TV station & me. 5) Cast “Live” on National syndicated TV channel. Try Lou Dobbs or Glenn Beck. They would be happy to host an event where you are exposed. 6) We shall both own full rights to the footage. 7) We shall both sign full releases so the footage can be used at our leisure in the future. DURING THE DEBATE 8) We each get 5 minutes uninterrupted on the microphone. And, can choose speakers of our choice or represent our cause. And, the debate shall last for no less than 2 hours. 9) We shall have equal time on the microphone. Audience cheering, booing etc. shall be done between speaking sessions not during any of the speeches. 10) And, let’s keep this debate clean and to the point. At no time shall we verbally insult, question or debate each others personal affairs. We are to debate only the facts pertaining to illegal immigration. Either speaker, or representative, failing to do so relinquishes their next turn & the microphone to be turned over to the opposing debater. Infractions during the last round of debates shall be penalized, by preset agreement, to pay the opposing debater $50,000.00 per infraction failing to abide by the rules herein.
Step up Sir!!! Face me like a man. Debate this!!! With out this debate I can only stand here as a patriotic citizen and call you a treasonous idiot. And a punk that hides behind his seat of office with all the trappings of his constituents and back alley hoods. And, I pray that one day you shall face court charges for breaking your oath of office. Hold your breath if we have any catastrophic happens in your city or local region. I will present my letters with proof of the dates I sent them to multiple news agencies & various other sources.
I’m confronting you just like I confront any politician - With a challenge to a debate you publicly on this subject. And again, I’ll bet your put your tail between your legs and fail to debate me just like the rest. Thanks for the pitiful state of affairs you have created.
Respond in kind, JeffO ~ [email protected]
P.S. More shocking facts can be found with these: Online Video Libraries, Articles & Websites:
Most recently added video: “LAPD Surrenders to a Pro-Illegal Alien Mob” www.youtube.com/watch?v=etGi30f-eWY&feature=PlayList&p=950C4429394204FC&index=61
3 VIDEO LIBRARIES: * USA Border Illegal Immigration Crisis www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=950C4429394204FC
AND * USA Border Illegal Immigration HISTORY www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1B16DACD33866CCE
AND * USA Border Security Crisis & Terrorism Threat www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=67C1EB40329F4D6C
MORE Reference notes at the bottom.
SF Mayor's Website quotes the following Mayor Newsom Launches Sanctuary City Outreach Campaign: Gavin Newsom reaffirms commitment to provide safe access to public services. www.sfgov.org/site/mayor_index.asp?id=78378 4/2/08 - Today, joined by community groups, faith leaders, and City department heads, Mayor Gavin Newsom and Supervisor Tom Ammiano launched a public awareness campaign to promote San Francisco ’s "sanctuary" policy for undocumented residents, and assure all residents that accessing city services does not make an individual vulnerable to federal immigration authorities.
"The City's public awareness campaign is a reminder that City employees will not report individuals or their immigration status to federal immigration agents," said Mayor Newsom. " San Francisco residents should feel safe when they visit a public health clinic, enroll their children in school, report a crime to the Police Department or seek out other City services."
The awareness campaign will consist of advertisements of the city sanctuary city policy, complete with multi-language brochures and radio and TV public service announcements.
In 1989, San Francisco passed the "City of Refuge " Ordinance (Sanctuary Ordinance) which prohibits City employees from helping Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with immigration investigations or arrests unless such help is required by federal or state law or a warrant. The Ordinance is rooted in the Sanctuary Movement of the 1980’s, when churches across the country provided refuge to Central Americans fleeing civil wars in their countries.
In February 2007, Mayor Newsom reaffirmed San Francisco ’s commitment to immigrant communities by issuing an Executive Order that called on City departments to develop protocol and training on the Sanctuary Ordinance.
The Sanctuary Ordinance helps to maintain the stability of San Francisco communities. It keeps communities safe by making sure all residents feel comfortable calling the Police and Fire Departments during emergencies. It keeps families and workforce healthy by providing safe access to schools, clinics and other City services.
"As a Sanctuary City , San Francisco has and will continue to provide compassionate services to all immigrants, regardless of status," said Supervisor Ammiano. "When certain people are targeted and denied access to vital social services, the health and safety of the entire city is compromised."
Campaign funding totals $83,000 and is supported by the Department of Public Health and Human Services Agency. Materials will be available in the following languages: English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian
Identification card measure intended to help 'invisible' immigrants www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/19/BAGJS8RNS.DTL&hw=immigration&sn=005&sc=1000 Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer Wednesday, September 19, 2007 San Francisco Supervisor Tom Ammiano introduced an ordinance Tuesday to give every person living in San Francisco the option of obtaining a city-issued identification card, a plan those who favor tougher restrictions on immigration say would undermine federal law.
The proposal - supported by Mayor Gavin Newsom and several other supervisors - comes as San Francisco faces criticism nationwide for its status as a sanctuary city, which means city policy forbids the use of any city resources to enforce federal immigration law.
The city also is in the process of filling a newly created post of "immigrant rights administrator," whose job it would be to ensure the sanctuary policy is followed by all city departments.
Ammiano said the identification card would help end the marginalization of people who are in the country illegally when it comes to basic public services and participation in civic life.
"If you don't have an identification card, if you don't have certain papers, then you are invisible," Ammiano said.
To obtain the card, people would have to demonstrate that they live in San Francisco and that they are who they say they are - which could be accomplished by presenting an identification card from a foreign country.
Ammiano envisions the cards being used to gain access to city health care programs, to obtain a library card and to register children for schools.
Ammiano said he has received assurances that the program would not run afoul of U.S. immigration laws. "A lot of people are asking, 'Well, are you breaking the law?' and our understanding is that we are not," he said.
A spokesman for City Attorney Dennis Herrera would not comment.
A spokesman for Newsom said the mayor will help Ammiano "in any way that he can" with the legislation. Spokesman Nathan Ballard said Newsom has no concern about the legality of a city-issued identification card.
Even if not illegal, the proposal would undermine the attempts of the federal government to curb illegal immigration, said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that supports restrictions on immigration.
"The only way immigration enforcement will really work is to make it as difficult as possible for illegal immigrants to live here," Krikorian said.
San Francisco would be the second U.S. city to implement such a card. New Haven , Conn. , began issuing city cards earlier this summer.
The proposal also has the support of activists in the transgender community - as the card would not include a specified gender - and from advocates for homeless people.
The high-profile way in which San Francisco is moving toward issuing the ID cards could lead to an influx of more illegal immigrants to the city, Krikorian said.
"Some jurisdictions are trying to accommodate illegal immigration," he said, referring to San Francisco City Hall .
But that's exactly the point for some of the city leaders who support the card.
Supervisor Gerardo Sandoval, a co-sponsor of the measure, said the city should do everything it can to legitimize immigrants, whether they are in the country legally or not.
"We're here to tell immigrants, immigrant workers, their families and children that we appreciate who they are and appreciate their contribution to the city and we support them," Sandoval said.
To that end, the immigrant rights administrator, who will be paid up to $90,636 a year, will be responsible for closing any gaps in the way the city lives up to its sanctuary policies, said City Administrator Ed Lee, who will oversee the administrator.
"They will make sure we're doing everything we can to enforce the sanctuary ordinance and making sure there are no violations by city departments, whether intentional or unintentional," Lee said.
Examiner News Paper Reports - Local The City to publicize its status as sanctuary for illegal immigrants www.examiner.com/a-1247329~The_City_to_publicize_its_status_as_sanctuary_for_illegal_immigrants.html Joshua Sabatini, The Examiner / [email protected] 2008-02-28 11:00:00.0 Current rank: # 648 of 12,804 SAN FRANCISCO - San Francisco’s “sanctuary” policy for illegal immigrants, which has drawn sharp criticism from conservatives, will be promoted in an advertisement campaign complete with multilanguage brochures and radio and TV public service announcements.
The city-funded outreach campaign is expected to roll out this spring and build on San Francisco ’s response to last year’s federal immigration raids, which city officials said scared undocumented immigrants into not accessing city services, reporting crimes or sending children to school.
City officials Wednesday were not able to provide The Examiner with a cost breakdown for the campaign.
“We have worked with the Board of Supervisors, Department of Public Health, labor and immigrant rights groups to create a city government-wide public awareness campaign so that immigrants know The City won’t target them for using city services,” said Nathan Ballard, Mayor Gavin Newsom’s spokesman.
In 1989, the Board of Supervisors adopted legislation enacting a “sanctuary city” policy, which instructs local law enforcement and city departments not to assist federal authorities in enforcement of federal immigration laws. The policy is backed by Newsom and members of the Board of Supervisors.
After last year’s raids, Newsom publicly reaffirmed The City’s sanctuary policy and directed departments to ensure employees are trained in accordance with it.
Supervisor Tom Ammiano, who is working on the planned outreach campaign to undocumented immigrants, said it will ensure “a lot of deserving people” take advantage of city services. “To me, it’s a logical follow-through.”
The announcements will feature Newsom and other city officials, according to meeting minutes from The City’s Immigrant Rights Commission.
The latest proposal is another action making San Francisco “the most flamboyant city in the country when it comes to working against federal immigration laws,” said Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center of Immigration, a Washington, D.C., think tank favoring tougher enforcement of federal immigration laws.
The City is also moving forward with other new immigrant initiatives. Last month, an immigrant rights administrator, Shelia Chung Hagen, was hired to increase immigrants’ access to city services and address “negative impacts of actions of Immigration and Customs Enforcement,” according to an advertisement for the job posted online.
Additionally, in August, San Francisco will become the first major city to roll out a program that will provide municipal identification cards to all residents regardless of immigration status.
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Oakland resolutions condemn federal immigration raids San Francisco Chronicle: Jim Herron Zamora, Chronicle Staff Writer Wednesday, April 25, 2007 (04-25) 18:22 PDT OAKLAND -- Oakland city officials today announced two new resolutions condemning recent federal immigration raids and formalizing the city's intention not to cooperate with the U.S. government effort to deport undocumented residents. The resolutions, one by Mayor Ron Dellums and the other by Council President Ignacio De La Fuente, both condemn the recent raids, which included one on Friday at an East Oakland manufacturer.
Both resolutions are also an effort to update Oakland 's 1986 "City of Refuge " ordinance which only applies to refugees fleeing political violence in Haiti , El Salvador , Nicaragua and South Africa , De La Fuente said. His proposed ordinance would give refuge to any undocumented immigrant regardless of national origin.
The council president, Dellums, Police Chief Wayne Tucker, City Councilwomen Jean Quan and Jane Brunner, and other city officials appeared at a City Hall news conference to support both resolutions.
The measure by De La Fuente and co-sponsors Quan and Brunner would direct city departments and staff not to cooperate with any federal immigration investigation, detention, or arrest procedures. They will introduce the measure Thursday to the City Council Rules Committee, De La Fuente said.
"The City of Refuge declaration is just as relevant today as it was 21 years ago, if not more, as our federal immigration policies are still in need of comprehensive reform," said De La Fuente, a native of Mexico and one of the Bay Area's more prominent immigrant elected officials.
Meanwhile, Dellums is introducing a similar measure that goes beyond the council measure to call for immigration reform nationwide. Dellums' measure asks for a moratorium on federal immigration raids and calls upon the federal government to adopt fair, comprehensive and humane federal immigration reforms. It also affirms the city's policy against local enforcement of civil immigration laws while permitting law enforcement cooperation with federal agents in situations involving public safety and serious crimes.
"Immigration is the Civil Rights issue of our time," Dellums said. "In order to realize the Model City vision, we must treat everyone fairly and humanely. It is not appropriate policy to intimidate and harm people that are already here. There are millions of immigrants in this country and we must approach this issue with enlightened and compassionate immigration policy."
Nationally, at least 20 other cities have ordinances restricting cooperation with the federal government on immigration while at least 80 cities and towns have laws designed to discourage illegal immigrants.
Tucker said the federal government currently does not seek police assistance on immigration raids and that local cops are not "in the business" of enforcing federal immigration law and are "too busy" fighting crime. But he added that police would still cooperate with the federal government on any "investigation of criminal conduct within the city limits of Oakland ."
Both Tucker and De La Fuente also said that for police to get help from illegal immigrants in solving violent crimes, it is important to emphasize that Oakland officials will not report the immigration status of a crime witness or victim.
Quan noted that her great-grandfather was allowed to come to the this country to work but was not allowed to apply for citizenship. She said it is important not to repeat the mistakes of past generations. She said that immigration raids break up families because many children born here have parents who are here illegally.
"Children are unwitting victims of these immigration raids," Quan said. "Many Oakland families are afraid to send their children to school, and the children of those detained or arrested during raids become separated from their caretakers." E-mail Jim Zamora at [email protected].
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[Table] IAmA New York City underground poker player/grinder/rounder .. AMA

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How do you find out about these games? (Friend of a friend of a friend?) Are they mostly hosted in Manhattan or within the other boroughs and NJ as well? I've been around the games for awhile, and through the loop I've discovered more games. I started out when Manhattan would have places with 14 cash games pumping before the big shooting then they really cracked down on it.
Any casino tournament players in this? Casino players love them because it's a lot more action and talent pool is very slim. Yes there are tournaments aswell, all sorts
What's your style? New age aggressive online type or old school mathematical? I work in Information Security and part of my work is social engineering gigs where I even worked with Law Enforcement to understand body language. Have you used something like that to your advantage? Most n00bs try to look for microexpressions when it's usually the feet and torso that are sure tells. So for huge winnings, how do you stash it away? Deposits of less than $10k in different accounts? What's your educational background and before you decided to make this your living, what was your work profile? Did you start of at casinos or was it always clubs? My style is and has always been tight aggressive. I'm very selective with my hands, everything has to go into consideration. Micro expressions are good of you pick it up and you're right about the 'happy feet' and torso. There are many many tells to pick up on in addition to timing and betting patterns and tilt factor. All those things give away valuable information. Figuring out what to do with the money is always a good problem to have and im business/street savy so I find options. I went to Baruch University and ran my first game in the school lol. We actually made the papers. I dropped out to open a clothing boutique (investment came from poker) It was always clubs and casinos were secondary but still profitable.
I'm reading this while in class at Baruch, I remember people used to play in the 3rd floor game room, but they seemed too good so I never got involved. Yep gameroom .. Where it all began. We had official tables there and everything!
What do you mean by happy feet/ torso? how can you see this at the table or casino? You can't see happy feet in most cases. Torso movement you can pick up by the shirt moving, it also depends on how close you are to the villain.
Hey, thanks for the AMA, just a few questions. Do you still consider it gambling or has it become another form of employment? Also what's your average income? Does it frighten you that you may lose a lot of money due to pure chance? Biggest win/loss? What are your thoughts on online poker? If given the opportunity would you choose another job? I havent considered it gambling since i got a real grasp of the game. I don't gamble. Never played a table game, scratch off. I won't even play lotto. All my friends are degenerates so I know the deal. My biggest win was 56k but I was being staked so gave away 60%. Biggest loss is 2k. Online poker is free money if you know what you're doing. A bunch of my close friends moved to Canada just to be able to play, 4 guys combined bankroll over 2 mill. I've gone too far in poker to walk away from it. It's like 2nd nature, most places would rather me not play because I'm a tightass or parasite in their eyes lol.
What was the buy-in on the stake game? I usually play 2/5 or 5/5 and sit down with a nickel ($500) Sometimes there are really good 1/3 games and I sit with 300.
being staked. Sorry - what does that mean? Yea it's when someone buys you into the game and get a % of the profits but covers the loss entirely in the event of a loss. I only let people stake me in bigger games I wouldn't normally play with my own money.
Knowing the games like you do, what is the lowest bankroll you'd consider having to sit at a $2/5 table? I go with the 20/25 buy-ins rule because I've went on bad runs before and I would rather have the insurance. So you if buyin for 300 to sit comfortably I want to have at least 6k to work with. Most people dont follow any kind of bankroll management and go broke over and over again.
What happens if you lose all the money? I understand they get nothing back but is that really what happens or do you have to pay a little back to them as a show of goodwill? Or do they just bust you kneecaps and call it even? Nope lol, stop watching Sopranos .. They take the hit as a bad investment. So far im up with all my backers
You have never had to pay makeup? Nope.
How about ARod? I've heard he's been to these underground spots on occasion. I was at the club when he was playing. You would be surprised how many celebrities I met at games. I have met more in clubs than in casinos.
What is the culture of these games like, or does it vary wildly? I saw some elderly Jews in your pictures - is that typical, or are there businessmen, or mostly gambling types? Do women play? Do you often play against the same people or does it cycle out fairly regularly? If I WERE to, ahem, get involved in these games, how what would I want to look for in a "good" room vs. a "bad" room, if there are such categories? I guess, what makes you prefer one place over another? They vary very wildly. Most places are a mixed crowd especially since nyc is a big melting pot. There are also games that are all albanian or asian etc.. One of the biggest factors in game selection is the rake/chop. There are some games that flat out rake 10% with no cap.they do this because they give out credit and because they are greedy. A good realistic rake for a city 1/2 or 2/5 is 10% with a $15 cap. Also you want to play against action players not tight ass grinders.
How many games are typically going on (say, in Manhattan alone) a weeknight vs. a weekend? It sounds like you've been around a while - do you have any sense of roughly how many people in the NY area are doing what you do, i.e. making living off these games? Dozens? Hundreds? More? At any given time from 8pm to 4am there are dozens of live cash games going on. Weekends most places open up earlier than weekdays because of the usual working clientele.
How would you compare the average skill level? For example, if you play online what stakes would you compare these games to? The skill level now is tougher than it was 5 years ago. When ESPN had poker on all the time it was literally free money if you knew anything. Now bad players lost tons of money and tightened up, still plenty of money to go around if you know where to look.
The most common games especially in the city are 1/2NL and 2/5NL .. Although the past year or so Omaha and rotation have been gaining momentum because it's so much more action.
Instead of putting up with 10% $15 cap rake, why don't you just take the bus/train/drive to AC and play at the Borgota? I go to ac and Parx frequently but you CANNOT compare the action in clubs vs. casinos
Meaning the action in casino's is more? Right? So why would you not want to play in them? The action in clubs is more.
Borgata or Parx: which do you prefer, and which has the better action for a moderate-skilled 1/2 player? Also, Casino 1/2 PLO; is the preflop action as heavy as it's rumored to be? I've heard that at Borgata, typical preflop PLO pot is $70. I get to Parx in a hour, borgata in 2. I would go to Borgata for the weekend and give it 3 solid sessions. Borgata has more talent but there's still money for the taking in 1/2. The 2/5 in Parx is juicy if you go at the right time. Well yea in a action packed game it's going to be potted preflop. Te underground games it gets repotted often, W I L D.
I would think you have more experienced players in clubs, where you need to know people to even be allowed in the game, than the casino, where someone can wonder over from the slots. Word spreads quick especially with free rolls and stuff so people brings friends and friends of friends.
So how is Teddy KGB doing these days? Prick still owes me 2 dimes.
I see you smoke reefer. Is drug use something you see often? Are you willing to share if that answer is yes? Yes and yes I guess.. It goes w the territory, there used to be games that would spark up the entire table nonstop.
How much money have you made? I don't even want to know how much I'm up lifetime because i spent so much money doing crazy stuff. I used to not keep track but I average 2k a week for 3 1/2 nights work, cash obviously. I should've been saving but for 5 years I was making more because of action and more bad players. Also, going around the world, crazy shopping and living life.
How are you making so much from 1/2 a week? is bluffing a big part of your game? I still dont know how to incorporate it into the 1/2 cash games since most people are willing to call you light. I play 1/2s in Brooklyn. It's a younger crowd and they're either overplaying or scared money.
Do you launder your money at all? Only when I forget to take it out of my pockets.
You mentioned action at the clubs is way looser than that in casinos. What are we talking about here? Are there a lot of LAGs? Loose passive? How do you find out about the games? Are they open to anyone, or do you need an invitation or someone in the know to bring you in? How are you supposed to overcome a 10% uncapped rake? You need a huge edge over the table to make that work. Is the play that bad? Loose passive for the most part, business men that get out of work and want to fool around before going home. They won't even play, just fish. They are open if someone brings you in and vouches for you.
Where's the advice? We're all ears.. I was bluffing.
Let's say I wanted to host games. First, is there money in it? And how does the house get paid? How much would the house make from a typical game you go to? What does the house provide? Just a secure location and a dealer? Yes and waitress/massage girl. You can rake a % from every pot. You can also do a tournament with a fee say $100+$15 for the house. They make a fee thousand a night before expenses. Big games make alot.
What would the typical % per pot be? 5% with a cap is optimal for you so you won't affect the game much and still make a few.
Ever bang Famke Janssen? No but I wouldn't mind owing her money and have her come try to collect.
So you were setup by the house and not the players? Did they deal from the bottom or something? What hand did you lose with when you were 'set up'? I think I flopped a straight and he rivered a boat. He had a loaded deck, did a fake shuffle and ..
How could you tell you were being setup? 1st hand new deck, and house player beats cash player on the river suckout.
Damnnn... doesnt the deck get cut after every shuffle before the deal? I dunno the typical underground shuffling/dealing routines so I really am curious. If they can fake a shuffle they can fake a cut too eh. Although; I'm assuming there aren't permanent dealers unlike what you'd find in a casino. When a new dealer comes in every 30minutes they have a deck. They're supposed to fan it out and show the players, sometimes they'll just wash or shuffle to speed things up.
While it looks suspicious I don't think that's enough info to conclude that the hand was rigged. I've seen suck outs like that in casinos yet nobody ever would make that conclusion but because it's an underground game suck out on the river is a set up? Aren't you jumping into conclusions too early? Or did you actually see more suspicious hands which added up to the whole game looking suspicious? I've taken nasty beats as well. In Vegas I lost w quads twice in one night (no BBJ) it just didn't add up, i felt a very bad vibe and I took a shot and approached the guy. He could've denied and taken his stand but he folded instead.
Could you talk about the 1998 movie "Rounders," and how realistic/not realistic the movie was? Surprisingly realistic to some degree.
Was it really based on norm macdonald? Does a zebra have spots?
Some might.. still doesn't answer the question. I'm not aware of any Norm McDonald connection.
Thanks for doing this AMA. What do you think the biggest weakness in your game is? Do you ever pick up on live tells? I havent really been able to spot any and wonder if there is anything to it. Do you love the rounding life? Regret it? My biggest weakness is not playing more often. I do well so I only play 3/4 times a week because of gf, family, business ventures and life. Also I usually cash out once I triple up. I figure if I book a win for a thousand im satisfied, sometime I should stay of game is juicy. I pickup new tells every session. My people reading skills are definitely up to par. The money is good but the lifestyle around it is crazy .. The late night hours and characters involved. I don't regret it for a second, poker has been supporting me for a long time and has given me a flexible schedule to do other things on the side like go on reddit lol.
Thanks for the response! The one pattern I have noticed is if I play 4-5 days in a week my level of play seems to go down. Then if a take a break for a few days I always come back to stronger. I guess regarding tells there really are no global signs and its just very person specific? Caros book of tells.. Use that as your foundation
Hey man, thanks for the AMA. Enjoyed reading it so far and have a few questions. Do you still enjoy playing? Is it more work now, or a bit of both? I ask as you mentioned you don't play too much. What's the biggest misconception, or thing that people get totally wrong about what you do? A lot of people here / on Reddit will ask about playing like a pro, but only for use in their house playing against friends and family. Would there be any more general advice you'd give to people in this situation about which aspects of their game to aim to improve? Cheers. More work now .. People that dont know me and they don't know the grind just think I gamble it up trying to get lucky. I sit and wait then keep sitting and waiting and think and analyze players. Lot of information gets processed I before I even get involved. It takes me at least an hour or so to get a feel for the game. Be aggressive!
I just started playing poker, doing usually 6 table micros on LockPoker or so, and coming out for the most part winning. I have the hardest time with implied odds though, and using them accurately to calc EV and such. Can you explain them a little to me? Its just not second nature to me yet. I played a .5/1 live cash game last night and busted, it sucked but I guess its fine, last time I went I came out hundreds up, How do you deal with the bad beats? I have read mostly every 'good' poker book, but what one would you suggest I re-read? If you are playing in underground rooms, do you skip (some/all) taxes? Name on 2+2? I just got back an hour ago from a long night, I'm sorry I don't want to type novels about ev or implied odds (google it) .. I deal with bad beats very well. I do NOT get emotional, if it's normal bad beat i simply play as if nothing happened. I'll actually get more action from the table because they assume I'm steaming. If its a huge monster bad beat I either cash out or take a trees timeout, that does the trick. No clue about the book, I've read and analyzed them all and you can extract valuable info from even the worst one, it's all about the experience on the table on my eyes. I have a side business for tax purposes.
What is the business? I import merchandise and sell on amazon/ebay and to retailers
How old are you? How did you start finding these games? How long have you been playing poker? 27, I was 18 when I first discovered what goes on behind shady looking doors.
Talk etiquette. Is everyone friends? If not, are you friendly with these strangers, or is it all business? Do you shake hands, joke around, etc, or sit down, play and leave? Very friendly usually.
I see a big jewish community, as a palestinian will i get harrased if i go to one of these clubs? Not at all. Somehow everyone blends well in poker games. I know a lot of palestinians that play on the regular.
What would be the best way for a beginner to improve their game? Any specific books that you would recommend? Super system thoroughly to get your brain thinking about it. There are plenty of very good forums online (2plus2). Plenty of resources out there.
How much time do you put in studying the game away from the tables? I've always heard that for every 4 hours you play, you should spend 1 hour studying (reviewing notes, reading the books, 2+2, etc). Is that an accurate ratio? I've read all the books and go on forums all the time. I don't really have a ratio
How much do you rely on math in your play? I have a strong math/statistics background, I just finished reading Mathematics of Poker by Chen and Ankenman. It covered basic probability, bayesian probability, game theory, and heuristics for quick calculations. Do you find yourself using this stuff or is your play more intuitive? My play is more intuitive.
How much do you usually go in the room with and how much do you take out? Since every place knows me and I'm not stupid I dont walk in with cash just in case spmething goes down. If I lose I just take care of it after the game or day after. I usually have 3 bullets of 500 each. That's for an average 2/5 or 5/5 to sit down comfortably.
Do you give lessons? If so how much? I gave pointers to friends and have helped people bring their skill level up. Me and some friends were thinking of marketing private poker lessons but im too lazy. If you're close by I wouldn't mind helping you, what's your offer?
Thanks for your input, gambling is not allowed in this sense in iceland so there is no culture for that, from as neutral or personal of a standpoint that you can manage, do you think gambling in this sense is good for a society/community or does it make t worse? I don't know about society but I'm glad poker is around.
My question is how deep is Chinatown? I have heard there is gambling behind every Canal Street store creating almost a second level. Can you confirm and describe any of the places you have been in Chinatown? That was not so recent. I'm sure i could find games in c town but they all speak chinese and I definitely don't trust that.
Do you have alligator blood? Also how does one find these games? You gotta be in the loop and I'm not sure about the blood, gotta ask my primary care physician to be sure.
So presumably a lot of guys are making their living money this way? Where does the money come from? How do rubes get into the game (so that they can give you their money)? Actually most people at these games come to gamble and hangout.
What's your cover story? Do you work a day job to keep up appearances, or do you just try not to live too extravagantly and draw too much attention? Does your girlfriend/family know this is what you do? Yes they know what I do and I do daytime work as well. I definitely calmed down compared to how I used to live.
Is dealing at things like these done how movies depict it or how you would at a house game, with the "dealer" role actually moving with the button? Or is there a dedicated dealer for each game? Curiosity as a casino dealer. Same as a casino dealer.
Do you ever splash the pot? No but it's on my bucket list.
Biggest pot you were involved in? Win it? 38k pot .. Won 56k that session but I was being staked so only kept 40% .. Still booked a monster win so couldn't complain.
Wow awesome, do you look up to any pros? would you play HU with any of them if you had the br? My style is more for a full table. I know a bunch pros personally and I invite them to games when they are in town. I fly to vegas on the regular just don't want to move there because I have too much stuff going on here.
Tips on finding these games? if i live in a different state. Ask around? I can smell a game and I can pick out a poker player out of a crowd .. I'm a sick child.
What was your revelation in the game? I mean what insight really opened up your game and made you a good player instead of an average player and seperated you from the mass? I started out dealing before playing for real. After a few months I noticed that players are making plenty of mistakes I could make them pay for. I slowly started grinding and found my style and it's been working for me for a long time. It's just a grind, you wait for your prime opportunity then you maximize and wait again.
Most profitable exploit? Reraising a tilted aggressor with a set if you know he hit anything good.
Lol. step one. flop set. step two... make sure villian has something good and is on tilt. step 3.. raise. Yes, huge exploit you discovered there. Maybe you can give me a good example and I'll put it into use lol.
What's your best advice on becoming better in general at poker? Absorb as much information as possible and actually apply it! Find your leaks and seal them
Hi thanks for doing this. 2 questions. How did you fund your initial bank roll? What is a good way to work on reading people? I organized a house game and raked a little bit and went from there. Caros book of tells and just start watching people. Look at the flop and your hole cards last, first watch players and pickup info to use. You'll get used to it after awhile.
How good are you at online poker? Definitely rusty havent played for real in years.
What do you generally buy in with for a 5/5 NL? I usually buy in whatever the average stack is. If the biggest chip stack is a fish then I'll buyin for the max. $500 is the usual amount early in the night/game.
Is there anything you do to maintain your health? Sitting for hours while eating junk food and stressing over hands must take a toll on your body. I don't eat junk food and I try not to stress. I workout 5 days a week and play plenty of sports.
Is it "card-shark" or "card-sharp"? Shark.
How to you keep from going on tilt after losing a massive all in 80/20 ? I'm used to the bad beats. It's part of the game man.
How did you build your initial bankroll? I started out running a house game without any intention of playing for a income and once the game died out and I had about $800 and didn't look back m. Never went broke either, I'm owed plenty though.
You mentionned robberies/raids and it never involving the players , im wondering is your money somehow ( insured ) even in the case of a robbery by the hosts ? 99% of the time you wont get your money back, that why I dont walk in with cash. There has been cases where the house gives players money back out of their own pocket but usually people take advantage and lie about the amounts lost.
Do you play on Merge? I don't know what that is. I don't play online since they closed main sites I down years ago.
Ah, yeah just the network that US players use now. Was up in Canada last week playing on my dad's Pokerstars account. Goddam do I miss that shit. It'll be back.
Let's hope! :) Anyways in regards to your thread: what are some of the bigger names you've played with in these underground games? Players or celebrities?
Players. Matusow, jamie gold, Ivey for 5 minutes. Lots of Internet pros, sry I'm tired can't think straight lol.
When you play can you calculate in your head the number of outs, pot/implied odds and EV? I can roughly calculate the number of outs in certain hands and maybe pot odds, but it's still gets my head spinning. It boggles my mind that people can do that much number crunching in their heads every hand they are in, so I wonder if serious players actually do it? I ballpark it.
Is your thinking along the lines of "I have X many cards to make my hand, if I call $X I can win $X" and make your decision on that? That's about as far as I am right now with my thinking. For example, if I'm facing a call and I need one card to make a flush and say I need to call $3 to make $30, I will usually make the call. Is that proper thinking? Give or take .. I do all the equations in my heads during the actions while trying to read players and order a drink from waitress as I smoke a cigarette
As someone who lives an hour from AC, I can confirm that Asians love to gamble. Because they can't drive properly on the way there?
Do you ever plan on "retiring". If so, what will you? Sure why not.
I went to the casino last weekend for the first time. I went into the poker room and sat down at a 1-1 table with $60. As soon as I sat down I completely forgot how to play. I have been playing since I was like 8. I just got so nervous for some reason. Did that ever happen to you? Have you ever gotten so nervous you completely forget what you're doing? No.
Why do you think super system is relevant to the current hold em game? Frankly, why do you think 5/5 live poker is interesting enough for an AMA? I don't know.
Word met up? i have a few friends in bk. Send me a pm.
Does the place get shaked down by the mob? A few games pay for 'protection'
What is the best advice you can give to a player suffering consecutive losses? I always felt I was decent at the game, but my record lately doesn't seem to agree with me. Take a break and analyze your game. Maybe the stakes aren't right maybe your game selection is off.
What is your current bankroll? About 55k.
At what point will you move to 5/10? (i'm assuming these clubs run 1000NL, right?) I play 5/10 if a friend refers a juicy soft game to me.
The Sands casino in Bethlehem, PA has real juicy 5/10 action. $1500 max. I never had a chance to go. I'm going to check it out this coming weekend.
I'm curious about this.. I would never expect big faces in an underground scene especially since they probably know plenty of ("home") games. Why take a risk (seems like a small risk from what OP has been saying) when they can just play legit. Action and credit and comfort of it. Trees alcohol strippers whatever the players want basically.
You should crosspost this to /poker How can I do that? I'll give u poker advice in return.
I hope your not smoking them dutches also where in ny im in ny i want to play Bk all day.
Some horse/backer agreements will have a make-up or cake stipulation. The losses are originally eaten by the backer, but then a percentage of future wins goes towards paying back a percentage of the previous losses. True.
SPOILERS! I'm only on Season 2 :( He misses the gutshots :/
Came here to ask about robberies/raids. Go on.
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